Why are backpackers so angry when hip hop artists sell well?!

[ill nik-A]

Explain the nerdy mentality cuz u make no sense

Do u know hip hop is music? do u know what that entails? It's more to music then just lyrics in case u fucking morons didn't know

[Dagel is a biter]

Why are you so angry that we've got a different taste in MUSIC? Ignorance my friend. We don't like Jay Z so you hulk up? Makes zero sense.

[ill nik-A]

U like Aesop and atmosphere I win by default, that's not hip hop

[Dagel is a biter]

What's the definition of hip hop?


noun
1.
the popular subculture of big-city teenagers, which includes rap music, break dancing, and graffiti art.
2.
rap music.

And what's the definition of rap music?


noun
a style of popular music, developed by disc jockeys and urban blacks in the late 1970s, in which an insistent, recurring beat pattern provides the background and counterpoint for rapid, slangy, and often boastful rhyming patter glibly intoned by a vocalist or vocalists.

Aesop and Slug do exactly that. There for, you're ingorance lost you this battle. We may be enemies now, but in time, I'm sure we will become allies.

[Witty]

CUZ THEY'RE RICH MAN AND HIP HOP ISN'T ABOUT GETTING RICH!!!!!

Even tho it definitely is and always has been.

[ill nik-A]

Hip hop is from the streets

Aesop raps over chalkboard sounds and talks about orange snakes and blue spiders and expects it to mean dragons live in outer space

Holler

[Split]

Who cares it's just music

[Dagel is a biter]

I'm cool with dragons.

[ill nik-A]

Of course u are... U live in a fantasy world and listen to fantasy hip hop

[Dagel is a biter]

Well, you are kinda right. But as I said. I don't listen to rap much.

[ill nik-A]

I'm Always right, remember that

[Inno]

JT Money>

[Ghost1]

AHHH YAA YAA YAA YA YAYA

WHODATWHODATWHODATWHODATWHODATWHOOOOOOOOO

[ill nik-A]

JT Money>

I met him when I was like 22 at the kit kat on Washington ave n 6th south beach, it was an after hrs club and he was rolling balls going finger ham on some white girl... The good ole days

[Inno]

Lol Bags

Thar album is pretty good to ride too


Word nik, I met timbaland down here....he was a dick.

[Dove Dozer]

Hip hop isnt hip hop anymore. Ya gotta remember that. The game has changed .

Rap music has evolved tremendously over the past 20 yrs.

[dull boy]

Hey Nik, I mentioned you a week or so ago in a post. Not sure if you caught it. Let me paste it for you.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Aero View Post
This thread is awkward. A 40 yr old man who threw a temper tantrum over a text battle then ultimately lost to an OM cat comes back after a 20 hr exodus and says he takes text too seriously. You think?! Thread is unnecessary and creepy.

Yeah. There's no insult that could top how pathetic the posting of this thread and the events leading up to it are. At the same time, I think it's good to see this guy humble himself enough to admit what a low moment it was for him. This is the ultimate nerd/fanboy textcee thread. Where Hip Hopper meets online MMO player at some strange crossroad of taking what amounts to nothing so seriously. The fantasy and competitiveness that go along with battling, especially text battling is part of what made it good, when it was good. When it started the people doing it didn't have a grasp on how silly it had gotten. How invested they'd become in it. Now it's like D&D for rappers, and everyone is aware of that. This is too prideful a group to admit it, though. Then you have moments like this. Where the pride is finally stripped away, and old pathetic nerds who have elevated heart rates over text battles see themselves for what they are. Kudos to you, Nik.

[dull boy]

I think it's funny to witness the juxtaposition (whoa, big nerdy word there) of this thread and that one. On one thread you're telling this guy he's a nerd because he likes Hip Hop that talks about dragons. On another thread you're exposed as one of the hugest textcee nerds I've ever seen.

[dull boy]

I'd like to hear your ignorant opinion of what makes something nerd rap, and what makes the music you listen to so much better. If you're able to articulate that well... I doubt you are.

[ill nik-A]

tl;dr

Insults are jokes for site unless u plan to do something at a personal level ill just make fun of u as well. Be happy with urself... When u learn that ull realize what u are right now

Me... A happy family man who has passion for his hobbie

Holler u insecure faggot, I know that and I don't even know u


Edit to include faggot: dull boy

[dull boy]

Ignorance is bliss.

So you admit that you're unable, as a writer, rhyming or not, to articulate what makes something nerd rap, and why the music you listen to is so much better. Or do you not care? In which case, why did you open this thread? To put a certain opinion down?

Sounds mighty insecure Mr. happy family man.

[dull boy]

You: A 30+ year old participating in a young man's hobby, most likely ignoring his parental responsibilities to do so. A man acting much less mature than his age, and displaying it full scale by throwing a toddler tantrum over the outcome of an online text battle.

I don't even have an issue with that, because I'm not really one to judge. I only take issue with the way you think you have the credibility to insult anyone on their opinion or practices having shown what a giant baby you are.

[ill nik-A]

We insult each other on the regular... Ur antibullism is cute

I see it affects u so much u follow with paragraph after paragraph.. How bad was ur childhood?

[dull boy]

Me: Explain your opinion, and why you feel you have credibility to insult someone after wafting your vagina through the forums a week ago.

You: You must have been bullied in school.



Yes, ignorant hate is one of my pet peeves.

[Certain]

We live in a world where Killer Mike and El-P made an entire album together. Ghostface Killah works with MF DOOM on a semi-regular basis. This bullshit infighting isn't relevant anymore. It's not 2001.

[dull boy]

Run the Jewel's was really good, almost mentioned in earlier in this thread. I agree, genres have blended, which is why I'm trying to get Nik to explain his position on what is and isn't nerd rap.

[Albert Rhymestein]

Nerd rap is rapping about corny nerdy stupid shit.
for a man who speaks such large words it surprises me you don't get the simple concept.

[PancakeBrah]

I think The Antlers are really good. Prob the best band still making music right now.

[ill nik-A]

It's a mockery of what hip hop is

U def got bullied in school, the only surprise is u didn't write another caring paragraph

It's so touching... By ur logic ure looking more pathetic

How's mommy treating u booboo?

[Boredom]

smfh at this.

[Certain]

ill nik-A, you recently wrote a verse about being a vampire. Where does that fall on the nerd spectrum?

[ill nik-A]

ill nik-A, you recently wrote a verse about being a vampire. Where does that fall on the nerd spectrum?

Is it music? No it's writing do u know the difference or are u that stupid?

[dull boy]

All 5th grade insults aside...

What is Hip Hop, in the opinion of such an exalted character as yourself?

@Albert... your sarcasm is of low quality and misses the point of me asking questions I know the answers to. Please, allow this family man to defend himself.

[ill nik-A]

I won

U defended Aesop Rock /thread

[dull boy]

I don't think it's the music you have an issue with, or even the subject matter. I think you've just taken up position against something you have no idea about, because it's a popular thing for people who like the music you associate yourself with to do = you're a follower.

[Boredom]

ill nik-A sounding bitter and ignorant as fuck right now tbh...

[Albert Rhymestein]

Lmao that wasn't sarcasm.

[ill nik-A]

Go ahead listen to dragon music over lunch room beats

Suit urself

[Albert Rhymestein]

ps:im not defending nobody.. i just dont like nerd rap. holla

[dull boy]

Everyone has different tastes. It's when people try forcing their opinions on others that it gets annoying. Especially people of such low character and intelligence.

[ill nik-A]

So ure making urself the more intelligent because u write opinionated paragraphs which are ridiculous

U stupid as fuck my nigga

[Certain]

My favorite nerd rapper is Pharoahe Monch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySmdcta_uSg

[ill nik-A]

He's not a nerd rapper... He's been around since organized konfusion just got stuck in time

[Certain]

He's not a nerd rapper... He's been around since organized konfusion just got stuck in time

But he's rapping about science. That seems pretty nerdy.

[ill nik-A]

Haven't listened to his new shit... But I'm sorry to hear?

[Meth]

I like heavy metal.

[Certain]

Haven't listened to his new shit... But I'm sorry to hear?

That was from his (well, Organized Konfusion's) first album.

How about this: There may be nerd rap, and there may be backpacker rap, and those may be genres within rap, and rap is fundamentally part of hip hop, but in the end, if you can rap well, you can rap well, and we have different tastes that defines what that is, and this shit is stupid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7Fy5w2klbg

[ill nik-A]

Those times are over with, notice I said stuck in time

But yea besides this thread was a reaction to the jay z bashing one... If u don't wanna read my opinion don't bash mine

Holler

[God Of War]

I agree with nik and dull boy just cuz u can't structure a rhyme don't mean you are the authority on hip hop

[dull boy]

Nik is discredited and exposed as an idiot. Think we can close the thread now.


Holler.

[uh-oh]

backpackers are mad at dudes like jay z because they can't make a project that would appeal to the masses like jay can

they are forever destined to have a small minority of fans

its like if one dude was a painter, who painted everything super realistic and technical. and then another guy is a painter, who doesnt go as indepth in the realism of it, but makes a more visually appealing painting.

the guy with the more visually appealing painting is gonna sell more paintings. the dude who put all his time and energy into painting a picture of a building that looks like a photo gets butthurt. he looks at this other simple painting thats outselling him, and he's like wtf, anyone can do that.

but anyone can't. because if he tried to do that he would fail.

the same way jay z would fail if he tried to put out a talib kweli album

[Certain]

Those times are over with, notice I said stuck in time

But yea besides this thread was a reaction to the jay z bashing one... If u don't wanna read my opinion don't bash mine

Holler

I think what happened was DeadLion and Death said unintelligent shit, and you overreacted in response. My three favorite rappers are (and I almost hate saying this because it's so fucking cliché) Jay-Z, Notorious B.I.G. and Nas. But that doesn't mean I can't listen to Vakill use five-syllable words in battle rap or Aesop Rock break down the dying blue-collar labor industry.

[ill nik-A]

Nik is discredited and exposed as an idiot. Think we can close the thread now.


Holler.

Lemme guess ur paragraphs did that? If anything I made u look like a peon to me

Ure a nobody

[ill nik-A]

I think what happened was DeadLion and Death said unintelligent shit, and you overreacted in response. My three favorite rappers are (and I almost hate saying this because it's so fucking cliché) Jay-Z, Notorious B.I.G. and Nas. But that doesn't mean I can't listen to Vakill use five-syllable words in battle rap or Aesop Rock break down the dying blue-collar labor industry.

And that's cool

[God Of War]

I think what happened was DeadLion and Death said unintelligent shit, and you overreacted in response. My three favorite rappers are (and I almost hate saying this because it's so fucking cliché) Jay-Z, Notorious B.I.G. and Nas. But that doesn't mean I can't listen to Vakill use five-syllable words in battle rap or Aesop Rock break down the dying blue-collar labor industry.

I think nik is talking bout the faggots who get Whiney over the fact jay sells 10 million and mc fucksto n the fish bowl five only sells 3 albums cuz they write about window seal lightning bugs

[ill nik-A]

U got it

[God Of War]

U got it

I GOT U DAWG lol

[ill nik-A]

Lol we know what's up, schooling young ns I srs bidness

[dull boy]

The high esteem you hold your net rep in is adorable.

[God Of War]

The high esteem you hold your net rep in is adorable.

the fact you try hard as you do to sound smart is admirable aswell...or the fact you try to sound different.....give it a rest go back to om and write a paragraph about how this makes you feel

[ill nik-A]

The high esteem you hold your net rep in is adorable.

Isn't it? How's ur antibullism campaign going

Hail faggot

[dead man]

uh oh makes a really good point. i think the painter's analogy actually holds water in this context.

art is art, business is business

thread is stupid

[Inno]

backpackers are mad at dudes like jay z because they can't make a project that would appeal to the masses like jay can

they are forever destined to have a small minority of fans

its like if one dude was a painter, who painted everything super realistic and technical. and then another guy is a painter, who doesnt go as indepth in the realism of it, but makes a more visually appealing painting.

the guy with the more visually appealing painting is gonna sell more paintings. the dude who put all his time and energy into painting a picture of a building that looks like a photo gets butthurt. he looks at this other simple painting thats outselling him, and he's like wtf, anyone can do that.

but anyone can't. because if he tried to do that he would fail.

the same way jay z would fail if he tried to put out a talib kweli album


Doesnt this point to the audience more than anythimg?


So basically the more easy to apeal painting gets attention...the ome done
With les effort and commitment gets praised...while the person who worked
Hard spent time detailimg every line and every color gets pushed to the side.

So effectively. ..the hard worker worked hard just so some one
Who half assed it can take the glory.

Shit sounds fucked man lol

[Certain]

Doesnt this point to the audience more than anythimg?

So basically the more easy to apeal painting gets attention...the ome done
With les effort and commitment gets praised...while the person who worked
Hard spent time detailimg every line and every color gets pushed to the side.

So effectively. ..the hard worker worked hard just so some one
Who half assed it can take the glory.

Shit sounds fucked man lol

It ain't like that.

http://imageshack.us/scaled/landing/842/wem.gif

It's not easy to make something with mass appeal. But it's also not easy to make something that intellectually matters. These are difficult things. Becoming a career rapper is not easy (unless you have friends in high places who carry your ass; right, Cappadonna?).

So when Wiz Khalifa drops his next banger and you think to yourself, "I could write something way better than that," you're looking at it wrong. You (assumingly) don't have the charisma to pull off what Wiz Khalifa is doing. You don't have the swagger or the understanding of what's going to work.

It's the same shit across all genres. Max Martin, the guy who wrote a lot of the biggest boy band songs of the late 1990s (Backstreet Boys, *NSYNC, Britney Spears, etc.), is a fucking genius for his dynamic understanding of the mainstream market. But his songs on paper read like they were written in crayon by a 12-year-old girl. That's kind of the point. No one did it better than him at the time, in that genre.

Now, in order to make music that permeates pop culture in such a way that it has real staying power, you have to find a balance. Jay Z did that better than anyone ever. That's why he gets that title as the best ever, because he reached almost everyone who would ever listen to rap (and some people who wouldn't) and made music that can stand on its skill ("Meet the Parents," "D'Evils," "Public Service Announcement," etc.) and music that just bangs for the common folk ("Empire State of Mind," "Big Pimpin'," "99 Problems," etc.). And on top of that, unlike Notorious B.I.G. or 2Pac (though it's easy to say they would have, there's no real proof), he did it for years. That is not an easy thing to do.

[uh-oh]

Doesnt this point to the audience more than anythimg?


So basically the more easy to apeal painting gets attention...the ome done
With les effort and commitment gets praised...while the person who worked
Hard spent time detailimg every line and every color gets pushed to the side.

So effectively. ..the hard worker worked hard just so some one
Who half assed it can take the glory.

Shit sounds fucked man lol making the more visually appealing painting is just as difficult as making the detailed realistic painting. its just different skillsets at play.

on websites like these, and with hip hop fans in general, who try to participate in the hip hop culture, they want to be real in depth

the same way if i wanted to be a painter, when i pick up a paint brush i'm gonna try and paint something that looks real. so when i inevitably fail, im gonna look at those painters who can paint realistically, and admire them for being able to do something that i can't.

but those same painters would never be able to dumb down there paintings in a way that the masses would like it like the other guy can.

because the same effort he put into making those paintings, the other guy put into making his paintings seem effortless

i think im too deep in metaphor land so let me simplify it.

it is just as difficult to make a jay z record as it is to make an underground acclaimed hip hop record. none of them could everrrrr make a blueprint. and jay z could never make an underground classic.

they both take ridiculous skill, and in my opinion it takes more skill to make a commercially successful project, than it does to make an underground classic

the people i like blend both worlds. to me its just as corny to like gucci mane as it is to like aesop rock.

[uh-oh]

It ain't like that.

http://imageshack.us/scaled/landing/842/wem.gif

It's not easy to make something with mass appeal. But it's also not easy to make something that intellectually matters. These are difficult things. Becoming a career rapper is not easy (unless you have friends in high places who carry your ass; right, Cappadonna?).

So when Wiz Khalifa drops his next banger and you think to yourself, "I could write something way better than that," you're looking at it wrong. You (assumingly) don't have the charisma to pull off what Wiz Khalifa is doing. You don't have the swagger or the understanding of what's going to work.

It's the same shit across all genres. Max Martin, the guy who wrote a lot of the biggest boy band songs of the late 1990s (Backstreet Boys, *NSYNC, Britney Spears, etc.), is a fucking genius for his dynamic understanding of the mainstream market. But his songs on paper read like they were written in crayon by a 12-year-old girl. That's kind of the point. No one did it better than him at the time, in that genre.

Now, in order to make music that permeates pop culture in such a way that it has real staying power, you have to find a balance. Jay Z did that better than anyone ever. That's why he gets that title as the best ever, because he reached almost everyone who would ever listen to rap (and some people who wouldn't) and made music that can stand on its skill ("Meet the Parents," "D'Evils," "Public Service Announcement," etc.) and music that just bangs for the common folk ("Empire State of Mind," "Big Pimpin'," "99 Problems," etc.). And on top of that, unlike Notorious B.I.G. or 2Pac (though it's easy to say they would have, there's no real proof), he did it for years. That is not an easy thing to do.
word

this is what i was trying to say with my last post

im just stoned and a self proclaimed idiot. so there is that.

[Witty]

When it comes to mass appeal, Eminem > Jay

Does this make Em G.O.A.T?

[uh-oh]

when it comes to mass appeal

jay>eminem

eminem hasnt been universally liked since the marshall mathers lp. you aint gonna see a grimey black dude bumping new eminem. but you will hear him bumping magna carta. and the same white dudes who bump eminem would bump magna carta

[Certain]

Eminem does kill Jay Z in album sales, but I think that has more to do with a massive group of very loyal fans than universal appeal. And as uh-oh points out, his artistic value has fallen off the face of the Earth in the past decade. Granted, I thought The Blueprint 3 and Magna Carta Holy Grail were underwhelming, but they still hold up better than Relapse or Recovery.

[Witty]

when it comes to mass appeal

jay>eminem

eminem hasnt been universally liked since the marshall mathers lp. you aint gonna see a grimey black dude bumping new eminem. but you will hear him bumping magna carta. and the same white dudes who bump eminem would bump magna carta

Maybe in America but Eminem is the biggest selling artist of the last decade.

Trust me, worldwide Eminem is a lot bigger than Jay, even these days.

I know dudes that have no interest in any sort of hip hop culture who bump eminem, heavy metal dude, punks etc. I dont know anybody who bumps Jay-Z who is not into hip hop.

[Joe Metts]

If skills sold truth be told...
i probably be lyrically Talib Kweli..
Truthfully, i wanna rhyme like Common Sense
But i did 5mill and i ain't been rhyming like Common Since




Jigga knows who he is.

[Inno]

It ain't like that.

http://imageshack.us/scaled/landing/842/wem.gif

It's not easy to make something with mass appeal. But it's also not easy to make something that intellectually matters. These are difficult things. Becoming a career rapper is not easy (unless you have friends in high places who carry your ass; right, Cappadonna?).

So when Wiz Khalifa drops his next banger and you think to yourself, "I could write something way better than that," you're looking at it wrong. You (assumingly) don't have the charisma to pull off what Wiz Khalifa is doing. You don't have the swagger or the understanding of what's going to work.

It's the same shit across all genres. Max Martin, the guy who wrote a lot of the biggest boy band songs of the late 1990s (Backstreet Boys, *NSYNC, Britney Spears, etc.), is a fucking genius for his dynamic understanding of the mainstream market. But his songs on paper read like they were written in crayon by a 12-year-old girl. That's kind of the point. No one did it better than him at the time, in that genre.

Now, in order to make music that permeates pop culture in such a way that it has real staying power, you have to find a balance. Jay Z did that better than anyone ever. That's why he gets that title as the best ever, because he reached almost everyone who would ever listen to rap (and some people who wouldn't) and made music that can stand on its skill ("Meet the Parents," "D'Evils," "Public Service Announcement," etc.) and music that just bangs for the common folk ("Empire State of Mind," "Big Pimpin'," "99 Problems," etc.). And on top of that, unlike Notorious B.I.G. or 2Pac (though it's easy to say they would have, there's no real proof), he did it for years. That is not an easy thing to do.





word to Certain Serpent and uh-oh

good shit...wasn't trying to argue more so trying to understand where both of you where coming from a little better...I understand what yall saying I just thought that's what you guys meant...

[ill nik-A]

If skills sold truth be told...
i probably be lyrically Talib Kweli..
Truthfully, i wanna rhyme like Common Sense
But i did 5mill and i ain't been rhyming like Common Since




Jigga knows who he is.

Preach my nigga

[oats]

mc fucksto and the fishbowl 5 are underrated imo God Of War


other than that, this is a stupid thread. on one end of the spectrum, you have dumbass hipster snobbery ("Jay Z used to be good, then he sold out and now he sucks because he's famous"), on the other end you have ignorant, sheep-mentality idiocy ("OMG Bubble Butt is da best rap song EVER!!!! That's why it's on the radio!").

This is a big world, with lots of different people in it, plenty of room for all of the above to exist. Some days I like Panacea, some days I like Ludacris. That means I get to enjoy two different things. Anyone who only allows themselves to like one end of the spectrum is childish to me.

[ill nik-A]

Three pages of stupidity u chimed in guess u included homeboy

[DLB]

nik, u old af. just put the viagra down & retire

[ill nik-A]

Death u wack as fuck no one listens to u

[DLB]

oh u mad cause im stylin on u old man?

u trash & overrated

[dull boy]

Lyrical skill comes through whether you're commercially successful or independent. Jay Z is dope, and his amount of sales have nothing to do with it.

The argument stemmed from Nik's low opinion of what he calls nerd rap, and his ignorant way of stating his view of it.

[DLB]

Nik is like those old, white racist dudes who are like "I hate all you niggers.. go back to your corn fields... gay people deserve to die.... you damn mexicans keep stealing our jobs..." but in a rap version. like u can't listen to no rapper that ain't Nik approved

[oats]

Three pages of stupidity u chimed in guess u included homeboy

someone had to defend the Fishbowl 5

[ill nik-A]

Lol it's all good my dude

It is what it's is mr anti bully needed a lesson

[dull boy]

The comfort you have in your ignorance is astounding.

[ill nik-A]

Paragraph counter?

[dull boy]

What does that even mean? That I type more than is generally accepted, and that says what? That I care? Meanwhile, you're making threads for us to see what you made for dinner.

[ill nik-A]

Are u a stalker? go about ur mediocre man poem business

[KZVR]

lmao0o0 @ this 50 yr old spic fagg0t

u sounding like the type of nigga to say yes when jay z asks if you gon swallow



u the type of fagg0t that has justin bieber on his ipod so when other niggas check out ya shit they think ur relevant

stfu u hideous fat fuck

go back to writing about vampires and making threads about losing text battles in ur 40s loooooooooooooooooool



ur a pathetic creature keep sucking kanyes balls fagg0t

sheepish stack of shit mother fucker



ROFLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[ill nik-A]

Who the fuck are u u wack fagggot

Makes sense ur writtens are like ur taste in music

[KZVR]

lmaoooooooooo


keep talking about shitty music choices fagg0t


u the 40 year old fagg0t crying about votes in text battles


roflzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


kys asap you old fagg0t

[ill nik-A]

I have more than u ever will in life

I do roflz at ppl like u

[KZVR]

I have more than u ever will in life

I do roflz at ppl like u

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