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sure just fyi they are the number one employer though the government is funded by us - UBI is a government program business' make more money when you raise wages, maybe not the ones that make their money off putting profit into the stock market, they might have slimmer margins to buyback stock and pay executives, idc, the local / small ones that grow communities from the middle out will. hopefully you realize big reasons bezos' service is so widely used by the public is because we're all broke and few realize the destructive nature of his business model and the biggest reasons he was able to rise to this position using such low prices is taxpayer funded subsidies and undercutting competition by operating at a loss |
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I registered Democrat to vote for Yang
Unless anything changes by primary time though I’m voting Bernie. Too close to not make it count towards the most viable best option.
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i'm all for yang's campaign but if he doesn't hit 15 in iowa i think he's gotta dip out quick |
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not every business is an evil money hungry organization out to keep people down like the us government. some are just a woman wanting to open a restaurant or a dude putting together a landscaping company etc etc etc. what gives you the right to mandate they pay a wage they can't afford? but realistically this is gonna be a useless back and forth because i think the minimum wage should be abolished. we are pretty much at the opposite ends on this issue
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corporations used to have limits. income inequality was smaller then, obviously. there's no reason that resources should be allowed to be harvested extracted or hoarded at an infinite level. we have finite resources it makes no sense. each billion accrued by an individual extracts an amount of resources that could sustain 1,000 people for 16 years(based on average income, 3,000 would survive at a poverty level). this is why the underclass grows, this is why poverty grows, it's a result of infinite growth for those in a position to continue to consolidate power and control at the top while doling out the same abysmal minimum wage for decades and cost of living continues to grow dramatically |
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Or are you just anti abortion but lean left on most other issues?
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I agree that "poor" in today's America is nothing like "poor" in other places and times. But that's because there is some semblance of a government funded social safety net to provide for those basic needs like food and housing. So you do have government taking money from some citizens via taxes to give to other citizens as welfare. Is your contention that this should be abolished, or that the level it's at now is about right and we shouldn't change it? I agree that people with brilliant ideas should absolutely make a fuck ton of money for them. That kind of incentive is what drives innovation and progress. I'm not sure if you were still talking about your idealised world or real life with the poor person accepting the lower paid job but having the option to build a higher paying career if they chose it. I don't agree that that's practically possible for the majority of people at the bottom under the current system. Which is why I really like the UBI. It's rampant capitalism with all the benefits that attracts, but with a non-zero floor which gives people a more realistic shot at social mobility. The welfare system as it stands disincentivises people from trying to do better for themselves and is an inefficient beauracratic nightmare to administer. UBI does better on both of those fronts.
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it completely disincentivises working for a living. as it stands at 1k a month, i could literally quit my job. my rents 550. my electric is around 100 my phones around 100. i'd sell my car and have 250 for food every month. i'd do nothing but leach off the system i just feel like my views are different because im a piece of shit lmao. everyone i know is a piece of shit. people i know who are on welfare all sell the majority of their foodstamps for cash, why would giving them cash incentivize them more? but yea i dunno, as for booth stating that if people made more money they would be willing to spend more at a mom and pops thats just ridiculous. i just bought and built a new pc. i have a ridiculous disposable income in terms of what i make vs. my bills/necessities. i didn't go to a random computer shop to help a local business, i bought everything off amazon and looked for black friday/cyber monday deals. why would i pay more for the same thing? thats retarded.
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this is complete bullshit bro. who the fuck would want to stay in their house for the rest of their life, barely pay their simple ass bills, have $9 a day for food, and no car? like wtf are you talking about? no travel? no hobby? no money if you get sick? just bills and ramen? what makes you think anyone actually wants to live like this |
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its crazy that you're admitting people only work because their life depends on it, and crazier that you think that's okay.
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so people receiving food stamps sell them for cash because it's more beneficial to them, so let's NOT give them cash in the first place and keep forcing them to sell their food stamps... because cash will... make them want to work less? even tho they're already turning it into cash?
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Which is all not to mention that the idea of working for a living is fast becoming impossible for millions of people bc of the rise of AI. All the people working in call centers, retail, driving trucks... millions of them about to experience what people working in manufacturing went through. Even IF we somehow got a lot better at implementing retraining programs (success rate for people coming out of manufacturing jobs in these programs was around 15%), new jobs in different industries aren’t being created quick enough to fill this void. I agree it’s disingenuous to argue that the entire $1000/month is all going back into the local community but for most people a reasonable slice of it will - there’s plenty of shit people will spend money on that you can’t buy online. Eating out at a restaurant, going to movies/concerts/sports events, child care, car repairs, blah blah blah.
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I like the idea of 1K a month but watch, the price of EVERYTHING would rise exponentially if this was put in place.
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