greatest middleweight fighters all time

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http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles...t-Greats-85791

my analysis. let me know what you think!

[Badweather]

you're fucking toast!


toasted oats



you're in my crosshairs

[Certain]

Harry Greb, Bernard Hopkins and Marvin Hagler.

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Marvelous is one of my favorites, but those are boxers, not fighters ;)

[Eŋg]

cung is questionable - though he is a personal favourite on style alone, souza and filho (incredible streak, few quality wins) are borderline/interchangeable with a lombard. up until a fight ago i wouldn't have said rockhold deserved the nod -- him and weidman could still be considered 'growing' talents.

i feel like you should have considered sakuraba (not a strict MW?) and even prime misaki. it's great that you showed bustamante some love - criminally underrated.

but it's essentially an opinion piece, and it's well-written. good shit.

[El Muffin]

V/ Gracie killer

Or w.e his nickname was

[El Muffin]

Originally Posted by Certain

Harry Greb, Bernard Hopkins and Marvin Hagler.

Sugar ray?

Ezzard Charles

Griffith


LamottA


edit: question

Where do 7 think Calzaghe checks in amongst the gR8s?

I think he was Mw

[El Muffin]

I listed Emile Griffith because u have to be a bad man to be able to kill someone in a boxing ring

R.i.p to Benny paret but man why didn't they stop that shit

The vid makes me cringe

Specifically the tkO

Oh christ almighty

[Certain]

Originally Posted by Drencrom Muff

Sugar ray?

Ezzard Charles

Griffith


LamottA


edit: question

Where do 7 think Calzaghe checks in amongst the gR8s?

I think he was Mw

Ezzard Charles was mostly a light heavyweight.

Joe Calzaghe was super middleweight and light heavyweight, though I don't mind lumping super middleweights in with middleweights. He was really good, but Bernard Hopkins is his only particularly impressive victory. I didn't even realize he retired with a 46-0 record, though.

Sugar Ray Leonard was mostly a welterweight. He moved up to face Marvin Hagler late in both of their careers. (It was Hagler's last fight.)

Sugar Ray Robinson was a bit of everything, so it's hard to discuss him in a single class. I have no problem calling him the greatest ever, though. His fights (that I've seen) were so damn entertaining, too. And he probably did his best work as a middleweight.

One guy I forgot is Carlos Monzon. He's a tricky one. He had a lot of questionable draws that may or may not have been given to him to preserve a run of 79 fights without a loss. He also didn't fight great competition for most of his career.

But to me, Marvin Hagler was the greatest middleweight ever. Harry Greb was right there.

[El Muffin]

Definitely the epitome of granite Chinn ed

I'm more of a Tommy hearns guy

because of his right hand that harnessed ridiculous power when he could get full leverage w/ it

One of the best straight rights I've seen . His left was like antennae Tho ..

Klitchsko bros have good ones too

Vitali

Vladimirs more well rounded

[Certain]

Originally Posted by Drencrom Muff

Definitely the epitome of granite Chinn ed

I'm more of a Tommy hearns guy

because of his right hand that harnessed ridiculous power when he could get full leverage w/ it

One of the best straight rights I've seen . His left was like antennae Tho ..

Best round of boxing ever, beyond dispute:



But Marvin Hagler won that in three.

[El Muffin]

Gatti- ward ..I'm thinking the championship rds

This is close though

[El Muffin]

Goddammmmn Hagler

Hearns was hitting him flush w/ that right. God do they look brutal. Velocity on his punches lol

Good post. I don't rmbr the early rds

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Originally Posted by Eŋg

cung is questionable - though he is a personal favourite on style alone, souza and filho (incredible streak, few quality wins) are borderline/interchangeable with a lombard. up until a fight ago i wouldn't have said rockhold deserved the nod -- him and weidman could still be considered 'growing' talents.

i feel like you should have considered sakuraba (not a strict MW?) and even prime misaki. it's great that you showed bustamante some love - criminally underrated.

but it's essentially an opinion piece, and it's well-written. good shit.

the main metric I use is major organization championship wins, which is why Le (and others) are up there, and guys like Misaki and Belfort aren't. Misaki does have the Pride Grand Prix win, but only because he replaced Filho (who beat him), and Belfort's only championship win was at 205.

Saku is one of my first ballot HOFers if it were up to me, but he doesn't quite fit in anywhere weight wise. He routinely fought in open weight fights against significantly bigger opponents, usually who were at or around 205. He doesn't show up on any of these articles lol, which I'm sure will draw the ire of commenters, but he also never had any championship wins, and there are 10 LHW's who have 2 or more.

but yeah, it is basically an opinion/statistical breakdown piece, so it's meant to be more fun than rigorous analysis.

[Badweather]

Originally Posted by Certain

Best round of boxing ever, beyond dispute:



But Marvin Hagler won that in three.

damn, how many punches were thrown in that round. jeeeez

[Badweather]

oh

gatti vs ward I

was the best fight i've ever seen

[Badweather]

Originally Posted by Drencrom Muff

I'm more of a Tommy hearns guy

because of his right hand that harnessed ridiculous power when he could get full leverage w/ it

One of the best straight rights I've seen . His left was like antennae Tho ..

i don't know his weight class, but kelly pavlik has the best right cross i've ever seen