SUPREME COURT STRIKES DOWN SAME SEX MARRIAGE BANS

[Diode]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/26/supreme-court-gay-marriage_n_7470036.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063

happy to share my birthday with this historic day

love wins

fuck bigotry

[Ronin]

Does this mean ur getting married?

[Diode]

Does this mean ur getting married?

you must be 13 or older to use this website

pls provide proof

thx.

[El Muffin]

That's awesome that the ban was removed

I personally disagree w/ same sex marriage but I feel like if two gays wanna marry then have at it.

How does it affect straight ppl

Yknow?

Ppl are dumb for thinking it ruins the concept of marriage simply because heterosexuality will always be overwhelmingly prevalent

Let em be happy. The Fuck the conservative bible espousers bitch in about?

[Mr. J]

Looks like everyone has punchlines for the next week

[Strikta]

I'm not for this.

For a cpl reasons I won't get into.

But that type of matrimony is not holy whatsoever.

[Diode]

I'm not for this.

For a cpl reasons I won't get into.

But that type of matrimony is not holy whatsoever.

matrimony predates holiness.

(deal with it)

[Strikta]

This is a country founded & built on God though.

[El Muffin]

Lol that's what they want u to think

[Strikta]

It's what I do know.

U better know that shit too or u can take ya ass to Nova Scotia or some damn shit.

[El Muffin]

Lmao

[Diode]

This is a country founded & built on God though.

who told you this lie?

[Strikta]

The Prince Georges County public school system.

[8===D~~~~(}:]

Hush Bags congrats

[uh-oh]

matrimony predates holiness.

(deal with it)

wtf no it doesn't lol. i mean i guess if you are just referring to abrahamic religions HOLINESS

but word this is a non issue in my world, filed under the who gives a shit category

i'm disappointed you made this a thread.

but in other government news i seen they didnt do away with obama care.

time to purchase assault rifles AND REBEL jk government don't KILL ME BRO

also i just seen a weird video on facebook of some politician dude reading some "bill"? or whatever politicians read, about securing funding to train troops to handle some terrorist shit, it sounded like it was chemical/nuke type things but every other word was "classified" as he read it, and he said something along the lines of "giant inhuman creatures classified blah blah classified" and i was like uhhh

[Strikta]

Keep it movin Zelphish

[Sharp]

The big thing is receiving benefits when a partner dies and the legal status of children (only one could legally be the parent and if they die, the kids can go to foster care even with a surviving parent) - those were the cases that went all the way to the Supreme Court

So it's just the right thing

[Destroyer]

That's awesome that the ban was removed

I personally disagree w/ same sex marriage

Let em be happy. The Fuck the conservative bible espousers bitch in about?

uhhh, these statements are contradictory

go to bed

[Destroyer]

this is just the first step in the right direction which will end with religious affiliations having no tax breaks or political influence

religion is a made up thing, and as soon as we, as people, can collectively realize that, we can set aside almost all of the bullshit and actually start progressing.

[Hush]

I'm not for this.

For a cpl reasons I won't get into.

But that type of matrimony is not holy whatsoever.

lol off that tan in the AM

[Destroyer]

Strikta, it's not holy matrimony gays want, it's civil union
go drink some more Tide and say you're gonna vote on something
big people talking

[Strikta]

Big ppl talking?

lol

Just cuz u married a strung out Brittany Murphy look alike & she got gay friends that ur forced to hang out w/ on the reg, don't mean u ever need to come at me like that.

U like 5'7 155 soakin wet talking bout big ppl talkin. Eat a dick.

& don't tell me to vote on shit.. cuz that'd be one more vote for ur opponent in any of ur battles.

[Destroyer]

oh, you slangin .07s, so you hard now?

if you are anything but supportive of gay rights, you're ignorant as fuck

period

[Strikta]

Don't fucking tell me that I'm ignorant because I don't support gays or gay rights in any capacity. I'm well aware of homosexuality in our country & what they are looking to achieve, & good for them.. they achieved it here.

But u call me ignorant because I'm not supportive of gay rights?

lol

I'm entitled to my opinions & beliefs... just like u are.... but for u to call me uneducated & lack knowledge on the situation is childish... yet big ppl talkin huh?

I bet the gay community would love to hear, & be acceptive of, how u call ppl faggots on a regular basis on this website. No matter the context of which ur using that hurtful term.

Ignorant my ass, motherfucker.

Fuck u.

[Destroyer]

yeah, as fuck

[Geno]

Lol that's what they want u to think



this
come on strik.. you know better than to belive what they told you in school. espescially after what you heard about columbus... just to find out how he really was -ITS ALL LIES MAN.

[Mr. J]

religion is a made up thing, and as soon as we, as people, can collectively realize that, we can set aside almost all of the bullshit and actually start progressing.



This...religion is mainly used as a limitation.
you have a set of stories that should teach you morals.
and its your choice to apply them or join the book club

[Strikta]

yeah, as fuck

I'll be in the nap on Sunday.

Let's meet up & have a talk, Des.

[Destroyer]

we have nothing to talk about
I know better to think I can change the mind of someone who was bred to hate
nor do I think it's a good idea to meet up with random heroin dealers from the Internet

maybe I'm ignorant, I dunno

[veritas]

I have much to say about this.

[Strikta]

Looooooool

This nigga here.

[Mr. J]

I have much to say about this.

Your avy and this quote has me interested

[~RustyGunZ~]

And you guys think my occasional race troll is the bigotry problem here

Smh

[Destroyer]

right now I'd say your problem is needing attention

[Diode]

right now I'd say your problem is needing attention

https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/tumblr_mfndjq0do31rn0vh6o1_250.gif?w=780

[Destroyer]

Strik, you can come by and do dabs tho
I don't discriminate

[Inno]

this shit is legal but weed aint?

You mean to tell me 2 niggas sword fighting is perfectly om with society?

Wait....

People are cool with niggas mining each other?

But good ol grass is illegal

Smh.

This country sometimes i tell yah

[Amen.]

Looks like everyone has punchlines for the next week

lolllll

stay tuned, week (w/e week nbl on) gay marriage concept flip contest.

[veritas]

Let us just cut to the chase.

Who has the fortitude to go on record saying * God, I don't care what say*

Those I will be willing to deal with. If you come at me with the whole God is ok with it then we still can't have nice things.

[Destroyer]

I'll go on record saying that God isn't real and religion poisons everything
that cover it?

[Chill Phil]

Now me and Genocide can make this official, and spend our weekends holding hands while recording rap duets! Right netcees?!

[Amen.]

we have nothing to talk about
I know better to think I can change the mind of someone who was bred to hate
nor do I think it's a good idea to meet up with random heroin dealers from the Internet

maybe I'm ignorant, I dunno

strik got you shook, tho?

[Destroyer]

if not wanting to get shot by some junkie who I "met" online is considered "shook," then yeah, I'm "shook."

[Amen.]

lmfao damn...

nigga said junkie, tho.

only if you were this harsh in your bars, b.

[veritas]

I'll go on record saying that God isn't real and religion poisons everything
that cover it?



Yes.


IF everyone in the world turned Gay today, we would be the last generation on earth and we would effectively merk ourselves from existence. are you ok with this?

[Destroyer]

that was harsh
my bad, strik
I have no beef with you at all, I just strongly disagree with you on your ideas on gay marriage

[Destroyer]

Yes.


IF everyone in the world turned Gay today, we would be the last generation on earth and we would effectively merk ourselves from existence. are you ok with this?

we are doing it anyway, aren't we?

[big baby]

lol bb dun care about ur fgt happiness

if I could I'd ban marriage fuck ur happiness

[Destroyer]

nobody cares what u think fucka idyote

[Mr. J]

Yes.


IF everyone in the world turned Gay today, we would be the last generation on earth and we would effectively merk ourselves from existence. are you ok with this?

I'm pretty sure there's plenty of gay people in other countries
They just don't broadcast it like the gays in this country V

[veritas]

we are doing it anyway, aren't we?

please go on record stating that you now in addition to saying that God is not real, now also condone the extinction of the human race please.

[Destroyer]

I don't condone it, but it will happen
and religion will be the cause of it
UNLESS man can move past such infantile thought processes
I doubt it though

[veritas]

You have contradicted yourself jude.

[Destroyer]

ok. I'll play along...

[~RustyGunZ~]

right now I'd say your problem is needing attention

Isn't that directed at me little bear?

I'd take a different course of action

[Inno]

Religion is for old people and pedophiles.


Religion does not represent god.

Religion is stupid.


Go gays!!!!

[veritas]

Watch.

you are for the process that will exterminate mankind.

yet you say you do not condone it (lol)

yet you blame the eventual extinction of man on religion (your words)

yet this religion espouses the practice that will lead to the continuation of man kind. i.e. man woman having babies.

fair>?

[Destroyer]

Isn't that directed at me little bear?

I'd take a different course of action

it was directed at you bro.because while I appreciate the sentiment of your post, the unnecessary mention of the ongoing karaoke saga seemed needy.

[Destroyer]

Watch.

you are for the process that will exterminate mankind.

yet you say you do not condone it (lol)

yet you blame the eventual extinction of man on religion (your words)

yet this religion espouses the practice that will lead to the continuation of man kind. i.e. man woman having babies.

fair>?

It would be fair, if I were to assume like you do, that the foregoing of religion implies that the entire world would turn homosexual. it wouldn't. it isn't. and there's nothing to support such a fallacious claim. Now, if you'd like to discuss the topic in the realms of reality, I'll gladly continue.

[Diode]

I'm pretty sure there's plenty of gay people in other countries
They just don't broadcast it like the gays in this country V

because they either aren't persecuted for it or fear for their lives to come out with it

[Diode]

Watch.

you are for the process that will exterminate mankind.

yet you say you do not condone it (lol)

yet you blame the eventual extinction of man on religion (your words)

yet this religion espouses the practice that will lead to the continuation of man kind. i.e. man woman having babies.

fair>?

completely insane how my lesbian SIL and her partner had my niece with her partner's eggs and a donor's sperm and now are about to have another baby with her eggs and the same donor's sperm.

BABBY CAN ME MADE WITHOUT INTERCOURSE OMG!

[uh-oh]

ABOMINATIONS^

[Destroyer]

ABOMINATIONS^

In truth, they probably won't all grow up to paint cars and make beats

[uh-oh]

they will grow up and make decorative bows and ribbons that they will fail to sell and turn to a life of crime

THEY NEED TO FIND JESUS BEFORE THE RAPTURE

[Mr. J]

V.....are you a religious man by choice or were you raised into it?



this must be known

[~RustyGunZ~]

it was directed at you bro.because while I appreciate the sentiment of your post, the unnecessary mention of the ongoing karaoke saga seemed needy.

When people saying I'm the problem because of the ongoing karaoke saga are being way more closed minded than my humor I'm gonna say something

Attacking gay marriage is more bigotry than trolling with no actual Haye behind it and so is insulting people's religious beliefs

But it's whatever

[Mr. J]

because they either aren't persecuted for it or fear for their lives to come out with it

EXACTLY!!!

you deserve reps......just not mine

[Plot]

The problem isn't the gays, the problem is marriage being religious.
The union of 2 people in our society with its legal ramifications should not be attached to anything religious. As is stands I am against gay marriage because it is against that scripture, but I'm more against marriage being attached to scripture in the first place.

[Destroyer]

scripture means nothing when it comes to our laws

[veritas]

It would be fair, if I were to assume like you do, that the foregoing of religion implies that the entire world would turn homosexual. it wouldn't. it isn't. and there's nothing to support such a fallacious claim. Now, if you'd like to discuss the topic in the realms of reality, I'll gladly continue.


I was hoping you would say that. Of course the world wouldn't turn gay if religion was removed silly.

But the reality is that it is all those religious people who are keeping humanity moving along. Not the homosexuals...because they are the last generation of their blood line if they practice this for life. Fair?


So your claim that religious people would bring about the end of mankind is erroneous and impossible on the biological level...fair?

[Diode]

The problem isn't the gays, the problem is marriage being religious.
The union of 2 people in our society with its legal ramifications should not be attached to anything religious. As is stands I am against gay marriage because it is against that scripture, but I'm more against marriage being attached to scripture in the first place.

MARRIAGE IS NOT A RELIGIOUS CREATION. GO BACK TO THE LLB HOF.

[Diode]

I was hoping you would say that. Of course the world wouldn't turn gay if religion was removed silly.

But the reality is that it is all those religious people who are keeping humanity moving along. Not the homosexuals...because they are the last generation of their blood line if they practice this for life. Fair?


So your claim that religious people would bring about the end of mankind is erroneous and impossible on the biological level...fair?

so by your definition, those who adopt are unholy and incapable of keeping humanity moving along because their "blood line" (LOL LOL THIS ISN'T 12TH CENTURY ENGLAND LOL) is ended?

[Destroyer]

Well, if some religious nutbag blows a nuke because he believes some infidels need to die, and resulting warfare and fallout ensues, a big dent is going to be made on the biological level.

fair?

[veritas]

scripture means nothing when it comes to our laws


you sure? because the whole seperation of church and state seems very nonsensical. The government removes teh seperation wheneve they see it fit for their particluar agendas. case in point...marriage.

[veritas]

Well, if some religious nutbag blows a nuke because he believes some infidels need to die, and resulting warfare and fallout ensues, a big dent is going to be made on the biological level.

fair?


We first need to establish that Christianity is not a religeon but a fellowship. WHat you just described was Islam...which is a religion.

I am against religeon.

fair>

[Destroyer]

marriage predates your religion - edit fellowship

[Diode]

you sure? because the whole seperation of church and state seems very nonsensical. The government removes teh seperation wheneve they see it fit for their particluar agendas. case in point...marriage.

in which v the psych major has no idea what the establishment clause is.

[veritas]

MARRIAGE IS NOT A RELIGIOUS CREATION. GO BACK TO THE LLB HOF.


wrong. And up until a couple hundred years ago, marriage was solidied and documented in the family bible. not a state issued marriage certificate.

[Diode]

wrong. And up until a couple hundred years ago, marriage was solidied and documented in the family bible. not a state issued marriage certificate.

lol

LOL

Lollllllllll

roflllzzzzz

dying here. take a basic anthropology course, k?

[veritas]

marriage predates your religion - edit fellowship


Bro how...my "fellowship" starts with the Garden of Eden...with the first marriage. smh.

[Destroyer]

lol. that's a nice story, with no basis in reality

[veritas]

lol

LOL

Lollllllllll

roflllzzzzz

dying here. take a basic anthropology course, k?


it is true.

Marriage is a Godly concept. Long before the state got involved.


Let me ask you this.....if you said you wanted to marry your wife and she said yes...would you still need the marriage certificate?

[Plot]

It was hijacked by religion, like most shit. They pretty much owned it for centuries, whats the difference.

[veritas]

You guys have to understand that God set up marriage. a man and a woman. from the beginning. fair?

[veritas]

and christianity is a fellowship, not a relgion.

[Diode]

https://cdn.psychologytoday.com/sites/default/files/blogs/67492/2013/06/127024-126515.jpg

[Destroyer]

so true
I straight up say I don't believe in God and dude thinks I'm gonna be on board with Adam and Eve talk

[Mr. J]

You do know that the Bible has taken a majority of it's ideas from other religions right?

Its a superbly crafted book..

[veritas]

so true
I straight up say I don't believe in God and dude thinks I'm gonna be on board with Adam and Eve talk



bro i am trying to reason with you. you say that you are not for the eradication of mankind but support a cause that would bring it about if everyone practiced it. you then blame the thing that you say does not exist as causing it. I only am trying to prove that all teh people who do believe in God and his views on marriage will aid in the continuance of the populace.

Good thing your parents werent fags or you wouldn't exist.

fair?

Your reasoning is illogical.

[Sharp]

The big thing is receiving benefits when a partner dies and the legal status of children (only one could legally be the parent and if they die, the kids can go to foster care even with a surviving parent) - those were the cases that went all the way to the Supreme Court

So it's just the right thing

[Diode]

a cause that would bring it about if everyone practiced it.

Good thing your parents werent fags or you wouldn't exist.


neither of these are true.

i guess my niece doesn't exist. nor does any IVF baby.

[Plot]

Dude we aint all gonna turn gay because its legal to marry...
wtf?

[Mr. J]

bro i am trying to reason with you. you say that you are not for the eradication of mankind but support a cause that would bring it about if everyone practiced it. you then blame the thing that you say does not exist as causing it. I only am trying to prove that all teh people who do believe in God and his views on marriage will aid in the continuance of the populace.

Good thing your parents werent fags or you wouldn't exist.

fair?

Your reasoning is illogical.

We've had surrogates for a decent amount of time though V...
I'm sure if you seen the new Mad Max it would help you realize the woman is a vessel in which the child is held
(if that seems too dark they also have a movie with Tina Fey out there for you)
and with an open minded woman I'm sure she would allow herself to be impregnated for a male couple..

[veritas]

STAY FOCUSED PEOPLE

Destro said that he is for homosexuality yet is against the eradication of mankind. He said that religion would bring the destruction of mankind.

I simply said that on the biological level it is impossible for religion to bring forth the destruction of mankind. also that biologically it would be impossible for homosexuality to not bring about the ending of of humankind.

if i cant get a fair on this simple and logical point, if you can all remove your new world order agenda, we can then move on to why I believe that homosexuals are going to hell.


so fair?

[Diode]

STAY FOCUSED PEOPLE
biologically it would be impossible for homosexuality to not bring about the ending of of humankind.
?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3y3QoFnqZc

[veritas]

dude....i get your whole argument.

I am not debating that. that being true, does not make what I am saying falso though.


can a man having intercourse with a man, IN AND OF ITSELF produce a child ever?

can a woman having intercourse with a woman, IN AND OF ITSELF produce a child ever?

[Mr. J]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkWeMvrNiOM




I'll just leave here for you...

[Destroyer]

I never said I was for homosexuality
I'm not running around championing it as a cause to be supported
I'm for equal rights among all human beings
you are not
therefore, I honestly don't give a fuck what your reasoning is

[Split Eight]

This is a country founded & built on God though.

lol @ how totally misguided this is

sure as fuck wasn't built on God & who the fuck told you that?

[Split Eight]

Veritas, do you eat shrimp?

[Mr. J]

this country was built on the blood of native americans & the backs of slaves while people sat & watched...


history repeats itself because that's how it still is

[Destroyer]

being homosexual is not a cause
gays aren't running around trying to make everyone gay
they are asking for the same rights as everyone else has
it's not unreasonable
what's unreasonable is to deny them those rights because of what some book says that was written 2000 years ago by nobody really knows.
and in the realm of our current political system, you have no cause to do so.

[Mr. J]

you can be a 'native' american now due to being born here...


but indigenous people such as I are a totally different native american

[Split Eight]

Veritas isn't even putting forth an effort with this one, guys

[Mr. J]

I'm still giddy off 'life finds a way' I'm watching Jurassic World tomorrow yo...

[veritas]

I am waiting for people to stop contradicting themselves and out forth evidence that they know what they are talking about dr. Dog.


Ya boy Jude changes his stance with every post. Is that reality ?

Plus yall are trying to go all over the place when we need to be focusing on one point at a time. That is all I asking.

[Destroyer]

I change nothing
you are the confused on here, V

[veritas]

Wrong.

Wrong 2x.

Wrong.

You are for (see support) a choice that is death. Simple. You are against a choice that brings life.

I can go on. Let us move to another realm of this discussion.

I do not care if people are gay. It is between them and God.

But marriage is of God. To demand that they are able to be Married is the state running it's finger into God's eye.

Because gays are not able to be married in God's eyes he will see them as fornicators and thus hell bound.

Honosexuality is death. Plain and simple.

[Strikta]

Only time I'll ever agree w/ Veritas wholeheartedly.

He's absolutely correct w/ that stance.

[Diode]

two willfully ignorant dirt people are in cahoots

sky blue

water wet

[veritas]

it is us killing God as a nation. Superceding his laws with our own.

No good will come from this.

[Inno]

What if god was one us?

What if god wanted penis like some of us?

Are we not created from his image?

Some where in that mirror theres gay.

[Sharp]

Demolished @ the impending gaymaggedon

[big baby]

lol....

[Destroyer]

you act like God came down from the sky and handed people marriage
you can wish that to be true all you want, it still isn't.
marriage predates your idea of God, which btw, isn't original to your "fellowship" either.
But you are an example of cognitive dissonance, V, which means arguing this point with you is moot. It's a good place to be in, for someone who wants to cling to primitive, archaic beliefs. But it has no place in an actual intellectual conversation. You have no proof of the things you assert. And the burden of proof is 100% on you. Belief, no matter how strong that belief, will never be evidence. And that's what you fail to understand in all of your posts on here. But you are clearly intelligent. Which is why you will never convince me that you are doing anything but trolling here.

[Inno]

Wisdom tho.

[Chill Phil]

I was hoping you would say that. Of course the world wouldn't turn gay if religion was removed silly.

But the reality is that it is all those religious people who are keeping humanity moving along. Not the homosexuals...because they are the last generation of their blood line if they practice this for life. Fair?


So your claim that religious people would bring about the end of mankind is erroneous and impossible on the biological level...fair?

the planet is overpopulated. we don't need and really can't support many more people. i'd say homosexuality is a natural way of population control that was born with us into existence

[Chill Phil]

homosexuality existed before the religious texts came to be. otherwise, there wouldn't be scripture saying it was an abomination.

this will reach 17 pages before we realize there's no reason to debate our views. why?


'cause i'm right, and i know it. you're right, and you know it. and they're right, and they know it.

[~RustyGunZ~]

V stop using god to hate on gays

It's a shoddy shot at homosexuality and vague in the bible in fucking hate people like you

You make good honest people of faith look like idiots to outsiders

You're what's wrong with the religious system in America

[Plot]

And we have evolved with science to a point where we could now have our entire race turn gay and then still keep populating.... so shut up with that argument that ee are killing ourselves.

[~RustyGunZ~]

We don't need fucking science he's an idiot

Everyone turns gay

Gay men donate sperm to gay women

Human race intact

[veritas]

it is called hyperbole knuck.

I know that everyone won't become gay.

I also know God views marriage as a man and woman

I also know that this ruling puts the law of man over the law of God.

I also never troll.

fair?

[Plot]

So mans law is over Gods law?
? Idgt...
Your not making sense man.

Firstly gayness isnt going to wipe out our race, so your argument is there nullified.
Next, your stupid...

[veritas]

I was only making the point that gayness makes reproduction impossible in and off itself. This point is irrefutable.

[~RustyGunZ~]

it is called hyperbole knuck.

I know that everyone won't become gay.

I also know God views marriage as a man and woman

I also know that this ruling puts the law of man over the law of God.

I also never troll.

fair?

But it's about as serious a sin and as talked about as some outlandish shit

You also can't cut your hair or you'll be struck down

That's a sign god hates you baldy

[uh-oh]

veritas leys fist fight in the wilderness nude while covered in dorito cheese

give eachother cumbeards and fight with lions

[Plot]

And then you say you khow how god views marriage???
Is not your GOD a fantastical being that is magnitudes of levels above us?
Is he not mystical and mysterious in his ways?
..and yet you claim to know his thoughts... like a germ or a microbe on my skin claiming
to know what I am planning to eat for dinner.
Your argument is stupidic.

[Eŋg]

this is just the first step in the right direction which will end with religious affiliations having no tax breaks or political influence

religion is a made up thing, and as soon as we, as people, can collectively realize that, we can set aside almost all of the bullshit and actually start progressing.

marriage is as much a construct as religion is.

thinking religion is merely divisive is sort of perpetuating that division.

you need to accept a person's right to believe in a skyfather as much their right to contravene nature (lol) and marry into their own sex. it's like misandrous neo-feminists.

i don't really care about OP but lol @ 'love prevails'.

[uh-oh]

hey dont get in the way of me giving veritas a cumbeard fags

[Eŋg]

i read one page and replied to the first post that i felt like.

anything after that i'm dead to (excluding this reply).

[Plot]

But answer me this V..
You knowing what a supreme total omnipotent God is thinking...
is that not a total contradiction?

[big baby]

yeah that was the gayest thing

diode a fucka flamer lmao

LOVE PREVAILS

fucka gay lmao

LOVE PREVAILS LMAO1!! HAHAHAHAHAH get the fuck ooutta my office ya fucak

[veritas]

veritas leys fist fight in the wilderness nude while covered in dorito cheese

give eachother cumbeards and fight with lions

You have already asked me this before. I am a far superior model. I would obliterate you.

[veritas]

But answer me this V..
You knowing what a supreme total omnipotent God is thinking...
is that not a total contradiction?

I am saying what the Bible says.

[Destroyer]

marriage is as much a construct as religion is.

thinking religion is merely divisive is sort of perpetuating that division.

you need to accept a person's right to believe in a skyfather as much their right to contravene nature (lol) and marry into their own sex. it's like misandrous neo-feminists.

i don't really care about OP but lol @ 'love prevails'.

this is false.
accepting one furthers the cause of allowing others to express their love the way they see fit.
accepting religion furthers the cause of allowing others to dictate how people express their love for one another.
One is freeing, and the other is binding.
I'm sorry that you do not see this what is to me a glaring contradiction.

[veritas]

Bro...marriage is a religious construct. Fact.

[Destroyer]

you're just wrong and that's a fact

"In Ancient Greece, no specific civil ceremony was required for the creation of a marriage – only mutual agreement and the fact that the couple must regard each other as husband and wife accordingly.[citation needed] Men usually married when they were in their 20s[citation needed] and women in their teens. It has been suggested that these ages made sense for the Greeks because men were generally done with military service or financially established by their late 20s, and marrying a young girl ensured ample time for her to bear children, as life expectancies were significantly lower during this period.[citation needed] Married Greek women had few rights in ancient Greek society and were expected to take care of the house and children."

you know when Ancient Greece happened right?

[Destroyer]

nevermind V
it's pointless to argue with anyone that treats the bible like it's historic record

[veritas]

Ok so....all the history of the Hebrews doesn't count either?

[veritas]

Ok so...all of the current locations in the world that the bible talked about back then i.e. Jerusalem or egypt....they were just made up from an imaginary book lolzord?

I mean at what point does the bible not become a credible source of history to you?

You see my point? I mean if you agree that I chronicles the kings of Jerusalem the kings of Assyria and Babylon etc. But you don't agree to anything before that....how do you reason that jude?

[Witty]

Great news.

Proud of you Murica.

[veritas]

In future news:

Gay divorce rate rapidly reaches hetero divorce rate. Less gays marry. More gays fornicate.

Hell is enlarged.

[Eŋg]

this is false.
accepting one furthers the cause of allowing others to express their love the way they see fit.
accepting religion furthers the cause of allowing others to dictate how people express their love for one another.
One is freeing, and the other is binding.
I'm sorry that you do not see this what is to me a glaring contradiction.

civil ceremonies are expressions of love? accepting religion is binding, accepting gay marriage is freeing -- but marriage is binding, no?

i don't think i'm the one with cognitive dissonance here.

as i said i don't really care about the issue, i'm more or less neutral. views like yours are what bother me: the inverse ignorant; deluded by your own delusion. people voting for Obama on the sole basis he was black. let's wrap religion up in a neat little causal envelope like we've got it locked. we don't. people are the cause of shit -- no let's blame one of our constructs instead and avoid the actual issue.

also, ancient greeks had religion, too - huge pagans. a religious people formed logos: from whence logic is derived but HEY RELIGION ILLOGICAL. they were also gay as fuck.

oh well, love prevails.

[Witty]

In future news:

Gay divorce rate rapidly reaches hetero divorce rate. Less gays marry. More gays fornicate.

Hell is enlarged.

More room for the hypocritical christians who spend their life judging others.

[veritas]

Bro.....everyone judges. Everyone hypocrits. I mean you just judged christians lolzprd.

[Ronin]

As if the institution of marriage means anything in this day n age

[Witty]

Bro.....everyone judges. Everyone hypocrits. I mean you just judged christians lolzprd.

There is a difference between stating a fact and passing judgement.

Besides, I follow no belief system that tells me not to judge, Christians do...and yet so many of them spend so much of their time defying what their book tells them to do.

How can you judge someone for not following a book they don't believe, when you believe it and don't follow it either?

And when i say you, I don't mean you personally.

[veritas]

Wrong. We are commanded to judge righteously. Not judge others by ourselves etc.

You are wrong.

[Witty]

Wrong. We are commanded to judge righteously. Not judge others by ourselves etc.

You are wrong.

Ok, so what is the difference?

You can literally use that excuse for any judgement you wish to make.

You can say anything you want and use the excuse 'ahhh but this is a righteous judgement'

At the end of the day, Jesus never told anyone they were going to hell for being gay, he never even mentioned it...why should you?

[Mr. J]

Y'all still going back & forth? How about you write a rhyme about it?

I dont believe in Santa or his sleigh carriage
of course I don't support gay marriage..lol

[veritas]

I judge people including myself by the bible. Problem solved.

JESUS also never said you would go to hell for being a pedophile....so that's cool too right?

[Witty]

I love you Veritas.

Like a brother.

I do not wish to gay marriage you.

I mean...unless...

Nah.

Well...maybe if...

Nah.

[Witty]

I judge people including myself by the bible. Problem solved.

JESUS also never said you would go to hell for being a pedophile....so that's cool too right?

I don't believe in hell so I don't believe anyone goes there, so yeah it is cool.

I believe fucktards like that should be punished in THIS life, by their fellow humans.

[veritas]

What do you believe?

[Witty]

You need to be more specific.

[Witty]

To be very brief....I think we should be accepting of others and let people live how they want if it is not harmful to anybody else.

For example, I think you should be allowed to state your belief and your opinion freely, I do not however think those beliefs should be legislated as they are going to stand in the way of someone else's happiness. Gay marriage does not hurt anybody, it does not deny anybody else the same right, your marriage is in no way effected by the fact gays can also marry, denying gay people the right to be happy and to live how they wish to live does hurt them and does effect them in a negative way and is discriminatory and thus is wrong.

[Ronin]

To be very brief....I think we should be accepting of others and let people live how they want if it is not harmful to anybody else.

For example, I think you should be allowed to state your belief and your opinion freely, I do not however think those beliefs should be legislated as they are going to stand in the way of someone else's happiness. Gay marriage does not hurt anybody, it does not deny anybody else the same right, your marriage is in no way effected by the fact gays can also marry, denying gay people the right to be happy and to live how they wish to live does hurt them and does effect them in a negative way and is discriminatory and thus is wrong.

By this logic ppl should allowed to have sex with n marry animals

If something is wrong, its wrong. And being gay is wrong in every way. No amount of propaganda or 'strong arm' debating or name calling will change my mind.

That being said I could give a shit if they wanna get married. Marriage means nothing anymore in this country

[El Muffin]

Yup if u want to marry a gorilla idc

Des dumbass talm bout I'm contradicting myself

Yea I don't endorse same sex marriage but I'm not going to be judgmental enough to say. NO YOU CAN'T MARRY HIM. nigga who the fuck are you

Noone gets that privilege to tell another person who or what they can marry.

Lol ok so the animal thing has terrible implications I'm kidding about that but

Yeah

[Witty]

By this logic ppl should allowed to have sex with n marry animals

If something is wrong, its wrong. And being gay is wrong in every way. No amount of propaganda or 'strong arm' debating or name calling will change my mind.

That being said I could give a shit if they wanna get married. Marriage means nothing anymore in this country

lmfao are you serious?

Tell me how an animal has the ability to consent to sex or marriage?

This is consensual between two people and hurts nobody.

Your logic is seriously flawed.

And I have no intention to change your mind, I do not have a problem if you do not like it, that's your opinion. I have no problem with opinions, active discrimination I have a problem with.

[El Muffin]

Yeah that's what I meant by terrible implications lol

But same sex? Go for it!

People need to stop projecting their beliefs on other ppl lives

[Witty]

Non consensual sex is rape....therefore to have sex with an animal, is rape. to have sex with a child, is rape.

Homosexual sex is consensual and is therefore not rape and therefore can not be equated with those two crimes.

[Ronin]

I'm not arguing cause I don't have a dog in this fight.

[Witty]

I also do not.

I consider it debate, rather than arguing.

[El Muffin]

Non consensual sex is rape....therefore to have sex with an animal, is rape. to have sex with a child, is rape.

Homosexual sex is consensual and is therefore not rape and therefore can not be equated with those two crimes.

I fucked the fox up the butt n it smiled

[Witty]

He likes it when you tickle his furry little nutsack.

Or...so I've been told.

[Ronin]

Non consensual sex is rape....therefore to have sex with an animal, is rape. to have sex with a child, is rape.

Homosexual sex is consensual and is therefore not rape and therefore can not be equated with those two crimes.
An animal can consent same as a human. They can either let it happen or not let it happen. Ever see the vids of a horse or dog fuckn a woman, Sure u have, everybody has (I wish I hadn't but still). What if that woman wanted to marry that horse. Who r u to stop her if she's in love

[Ronin]

And if I did have a dog in this fight muff would try to seduce it apparently

[El Muffin]

An animal can consent same as a human. They can either let it happen or not let it happen. Ever see the vids of a horse or dog fuckn a woman, Sure u have, everybody has (I wish I hadn't but still). What if that woman wanted to marry that horse. Who r u to stop her if she's in love

This shit killed me. Lmaaao

Roof roof! Fuck me!

Next time a dog hump me on the leg it's on

[Witty]

An animal can consent same as a human. They can either let it happen or not let it happen. Ever see the vids of a horse or dog fuckn a woman, Sure u have, everybody has (I wish I hadn't but still). What if that woman wanted to marry that horse. Who r u to stop her if she's in love

Are you saying children can also consent?

Consent is not just 'letting it happen' it also requires the mental capacity to be able to fully understand what is happening and give permission for it...that is the legal definition of consent...animals and children do not have this capability, thus it is illegal to have sex with them...grown men do, thus it is legal.

Sex within the animal kingdom is not built around consent, it is purely chemical, purely instinctive, and basically rape by the terms we have set. We are more advanced and therefore require consent...permission, in other words. The ability to think things through and decide whether it is something you want or not...animals do not have this ability, they do not think, even when engaging with their own species 'Do I want this to happen'....they have hormones and react accordingly.

That's like saying, if you like it, it isn't rape.

A child also has the ability to say no, yet we do not argue that even if they let it happen it was consensual because we understand they do not have the cognitive abilities to grasp the situation...it's the same with animals.

[~RustyGunZ~]

This took a dark turn

[Ronin]

Lol

[El Muffin]

Witty I appreciate your capability of all encompassing thought if that makes sense

The animal kingdom/chemical shit was very thought-provoking

Lol @ it but still.

Made me think of turtle sex

That's definitely rape

Male turtle be like HUUUUURGGGGGH

[big baby]

i like witty cus he also makes muff feel like a person even when hes a dumb nigger

[Destroyer]

looooool
yall really in here comparing gays to animal lovers and child molesters?
it's not worth talking about anything with minds as infantile

[El Muffin]

looooool
yall really in here comparing gays to animal lovers and child molesters?
it's not worth talking about anything with minds as infantile


Only one who's doing that is witty

Good job insulting some1 who's clearly more intelligent than you

[Witty]

I like to think I did the opposite of comparing them.

My aim was to explain how they are different.

[big baby]

wanfuk bb in buT

[Witty]

wan fuk bb in buT

Always.

[Destroyer]

witty, I understand you, I need no explanation of what you are saying
you have a brain
these other fuckers....

[Destroyer]

witty, I understand you, I need no explanation of what you are saying
you have a brain
these other fuckers....

[El Muffin]

Your a dumbass

Lol that arrest thread made that certain

Realize that Noone made the comparison but witty

N now ur back pedaling saying but these guys?

Lol ur fucking stupid

[Witty]

I appreciate your understanding.

And I appreciated it even more the second time.

[Strikta]

Everyone has their own beliefs bruh.
Dr Dog

[Witty]

Beliefs aren't what I'm worried about, like I said, active discrimination is what I'm worried about.

I have no problem if someone believes being gay is wrong, that is their right, but if that person goes out of their way to restrict the rights of another person based on their personal opinion then it's a problem.

[big baby]

Beliefs aren't what I'm worried about, like I said, active discrimination is what I'm worried about.

I have no problem if someone believes being gay is wrong, that is their right, but if that person goes out of their way to restrict the rights of another person based on their personal opinion then it's a problem.

wut happen wen i restrict mustachia to a chair and punsh her fuckai head with a bunh of my rights?

[Witty]

I think debate on these issues is important.

It's a platform to express our opinions and beliefs in a way in which nobody is harmed.

Not that it matters at all in the grand scheme of things, one day we will all be instinct and ostriches will be the dominant species, but while we're here i think we should just be cool to each other and not get in the way of personal happiness because that's kinda dickish tbh

[Witty]

wut happen wen i restrict mustachia to a chair and punsh her fuckai head with a bunh of my rights?

fuck dat hoe.

[Ronin]

Alloeaing gays to get married will ruin their happiness. Marriage sucks the life out of a relationship. They'll regret it lol

I for one welcome our new raptor over lords

[Witty]

Lol but they should have the right to do it because they have tricked themselves into thinking it will make them happy just like straight people.

[~RustyGunZ~]

Alloeaing gays to get married will ruin their happiness. Marriage sucks the life out of a relationship. They'll regret it lol

I for one welcome our new raptor over lords

Your wife left ya huh?

[Destroyer]

if you have a problem with gays marrying, you are a shit human being, that's all there is to it
I don't give a fuck what you believe. no religion calls for you to sit in judgement of others, certainly not the "fellowship" V claims to belong to.
you not wanting gays to marry is simply saying, 'I don't like what they do, so they have no right to be happy.'
you don't have that right though. Not here in America
maybe move to Iraq or Afghanistan if you want to dictate what others need to be happy

[El Muffin]

For once I agree w/ u. Exactly wat I said prior but more eloquently

[Ronin]

Your wife left ya huh?

Hell nah she know she got an easy ride with me

[Plot]

Getting a little bit deeper, what exactly are rights?

[Urban Dialect]

this is the end of america, those of you in other countries will watch from afar, some of you will moron and some of you will rejoice..
this is scripture, it was written that they would declare their sins like sodom
it's like America is sticking it's middle finger up to God
makes me wonder what God is it that we claim we trust in?
surely it's Satan.
it's all down hill from here guys, the clock has started ticking

[uh-oh]

IM FUCKING TRASHED

LETS ALL EAT CHICKEN PATTTIES WITH FAKE CHEESE AND GIVE EACHOTGE CUM BEARDS

[El Muffin]

Ok!

Jizzerhands always down

[Dominate]

@veritas, I'm pretty sure when destro says "religion will be the cause of mankind's extinction" he is referring to humans dying via war inspired by religion, not to a lack of baby making.

Witty, how do you feel about polygamy? Or cousins marrying and having children? What about brothers and sisters or mothers with sons? If you are against, can you provide a reason that wouldn't apply to gay marriage? These are all instances of consenting adult humans where their marrying and having children wouldn't affect other people.

I can't find a reason tbh. So I have a little cognitive dissonance over this. Either all the above is OK or we have to revise what qualifies as an acceptable behavior from "something that doesn't negatively affect other people" to something else.

Like, instead of the rule for what's acceptable being inclusive unless there's a reason to exclude (eg relationships with a child are not OK bc child can't give informed consent)
Perhaps the rule needs to be exclusive unless there's a reason to include (gay marriage is OK because a majority of people believe it to be... Or some other reason (?))

Or maybe you can just just give me a strong point against incest that doesn't apply to gay marriage and I can put this cognitive dissonance to rest.

[El Muffin]

Incest babies come out like Sloth from the Goonies

See Hapsburg Dynasty .

[Witty]

Polygamy I have no problem with if everyone has given consent.

Incest has the very real potential to create highly disabled and deformed children, which I believe is punishing an innocent party, and therefore should not be legal.

[El Muffin]

Yup. Exactly.

Simple really!

[Destroyer]

lmao
I love when people other than me make tags from me

[Split Eight]

Everyone has their own beliefs bruh.
Dr Dog

yeah, well don't misrepresent the explicitly stated beliefs of the Founding Fathers with regards to religion

[oats]

first of what will hopefully be many correct SCOTUS rulings. next, repeal Citizens United and I'll start to be hopeful about humanity again.

btw, hilarious to see the same people worried about gay marriage destroying humankind are often the same people who deny climate change exists.

Bible-thumpers: Jesus said pay unto Caesar what is Caesar's. Obey the law. JC wouldn't be crusading against gay marriage if he was around today. Biblical fact. He was never a political activist, he just loved all people. Do the same, por favor.

[veritas]

first of what will hopefully be many correct SCOTUS rulings. next, repeal Citizens United and I'll start to be hopeful about humanity again.

btw, hilarious to see the same people worried about gay marriage destroying humankind are often the same people who deny climate change exists.

Bible-thumpers: Jesus said pay unto Caesar what is Caesar's. Obey the law. JC wouldn't be crusading against gay marriage if he was around today. Biblical fact. He was never a political activist, he just loved all people. Do the same, por favor.


lol wut>? Wrong.

[uh-oh]

oats you sure bro?

pretty sure he was killed because he was creating an uprising against the roman rule of ancient israel/judea whatever they called it.

it was twisted into him being a peace loving hippy when converted to a religion, but there is a reason he was crucified with INRI on his cross inbetween 2 "thieves" (which is actually directly translated as "bandits") after being scourged through the city.

jesus disagreed with the jews in power who were in the pockets of the romans, gathering a following with his speeches about how the church was corrupted and etc.

not saying he truly existed, but the characters he is based off of sound alot like a rebel leader trying to overthrow the rule of an invading nation supressing people

but i mean i guess he could have said that in the bible i dunno

[Dominate]

Polygamy I have no problem with if everyone has given consent.

Incest has the very real potential to create highly disabled and deformed children, which I believe is punishing an innocent party, and therefore should not be legal.

incest couples could adopt or have sperm/eggs donated, just like gay couples.

Alternatively, are you saying that couples who are genetically predisposed to having unhealthy children shouldn't be allowed to have children? Where do you draw the line? Maybe people with cancer or heart disease running rampant in their family shouldn't be allowed to marry?

[veritas]

This world is in a big hurry to "change" unfortunately for us no one thought of the after effects of it.

[Witty]

incest couples could adopt or have sperm/eggs donated, just like gay couples.

Alternatively, are you saying that couples who are genetically predisposed to having unhealthy children shouldn't be allowed to have children? Where do you draw the line? Maybe people with cancer or heart disease running rampant in their family shouldn't be allowed to marry?

Yes but they would have the ability to reproduce, unlike gays, so what is to stop them? And the likelihood is VERY high that the children will be deformed in some way, mentally or physically. There is no guarantee heart disease or cancer will be passed on, it is a lottery, whether it runs in a family or not. There is pretty much a guarantee an incestual couple will have children with deformities. They would be doing so knowing it will happen, someone with a history of heart disease in their family can not be said to have knowingly brought a sick child in to the world. That's the difference I see there.

[Witty]

Jesus was a revolutionary.

He would not get along with the Christians of today.

That kind of dogma was precisely what he sought to destroy.

[veritas]

Agree with Witty. What passes for Christianity today is softer than tater water

[dead man]

its unlikely for a child to be born with cancer or heart disease, even to parents who have genetic predispositions to them. unlikely enough not to cause much concern over the reproductive qualities in these parents. if there was evidence to suggest otherwise, there would be more literature on the subject condemning these people for throwing their genetic dice to bring life into the world. it's a numbers game. sometimes. sometimes it's random. should none of us have kids because there's a chance they'll be born fucked up?

no. the issue with incest is the overwhelming incidence of childhood mortality and genetic maladaptation. coincidentally, the likelihood of both of these illnesses spike in children born of incest. along with many others. it's statistically incomparable.

i understand you're playing devil's advocate here, but we draw the line where it becomes dangerous enough a circumstance that it warrants litigation condemning the action.

2 people who are HIV positive (and not undergoing treatment) probably should not reproduce imo.

2 people who are siblings should not either. the odds are not in their favor, and more importantly, are not their child's.

your move.

[Witty]

its unlikely for a child to be born with cancer or heart disease, even to parents who have genetic predispositions to them. unlikely enough not to cause much concern over the reproductive qualities in these parents. if there was evidence to suggest otherwise, there would be more literature on the subject condemning these people for throwing their genetic dice to bring life into the world. it's a numbers game. sometimes. sometimes it's random. should none of us have kids because there's a chance they'll be born fucked up?

no. the issue with incest is the overwhelming incidences of childhood mortality and genetic maladaptation. coincidentally, the likelihood of both of these illnesses spike in children born of incest. along with many others. it's statistically incomparable..

THAT'S WHAT I JUST SAID BRAH!!!

lol I'm glad we are in agreement.

[Dominate]

So if an incestual couple is unable to have children is it OK? A son with a post menopausal mother for example? Or a mother with a daughter, can they marry and have sperm donated? What about two brothers? Etc.

[El Muffin]

Goddammit dominate!

Lol

Incest is bad mmkay

[Witty]

So if an incestual couple is unable to have children is it OK? A son with a post menopausal mother for example? Or a mother with a daughter, can they marry and have sperm donated? What about two brothers? Etc.

I do not think that is inherently immoral.

And in fact was not unheard of in days gone by.


Disgusting, yes...but not immoral, if nobody is getting hurt.

That is a very specific case tho, and thus the legal restrictions must remain in place because you can not pick and choose, it is either legal or it is illegal...it being legal would be very dangerous, and as such must remain illegal despite the fact there may be a few cases like your hypothetical.

[Dominate]

Ew. Lol.

I don't agree with your reasoning though. "Cases where it's ok are uncommon so we'll just disallow it generally". There's a bunch of other situations where that logic could apply.


Back to the disease/genetics thing, I just picked cancer & heart disease as two illnesses I know genes are a factor in. I know very little about this so I'm gonna abstract the hell out of it for the argument's sake.

Say we have some way of knowing that if a particular person makes a child with another person from some subset of the population, that child has a high risk of having some serious illness. Should there then be laws prohibiting that person from marrying or fornicating with people from that subset? What if the person is only attracted to people from that subset, and/or loves a particular person from that subset? Should their union be denied?

[El Muffin]

Interesting question w/ the predisposition to disease n such

But it would be impossible to determine wouldn't it? Coz sum traits aren't guaranteed to pass to offspring

Or just really really difficult. That sounds like 300 yrs in the future

Purge the weakness type shit. I know I'm being simplistic but yeah.

[Witty]

Well I think if there is such a terrible risk to take to allow some people to do it, it simply isn't worth it.

Sometimes you have to weigh things up and do what is right for society as a whole. You can't please all of the people all of the time, unfortunately.

And for the same reason my answer is yes to your second question.

[Witty]

Like Muff said, it would be very difficult to determine.

But if there were a way to know for sure then yes it probably should be illegal.

That would piss me off, I want everyone to be happy if possible, but if your happiness brings pain and suffering to an innocent life then fuck your happiness tbh.

[oats]

Veritas and uh oh sorry but you guys have a theologically incorrect interpretation of what Jesus became. Why did he ride in to Jerusalem on a donkey? Why did he have beef with Pharisees? Why did he feel the need to say my above quote? He was an anti-revolutionary. He refused to profit off his teachings, to organize people into political action, or use his teachings as a way to disobey the law.

And yeah I'm working on the assumption that he existed and was god etc, because that's not even a necessary argument to have in order to show modern day Christians how contradictory their beliefs are to what Jesus actually did. He spent majority of his time on earth with the tax collectors and prostitutes etc, social outcasts that religious folk hated. Why wouldn't he do the same today?

Jesus was, quite intentionally, a non-political leader, and butted heads with people who tried to make it political action several times in the gospels.

[oats]

As far as the medical stuff, that is logically extremely flimsy grounds to rationalize exclusion from legal rights and benefits of marriage.

[Witty]

Veritas and uh oh sorry but you guys have a theologically incorrect interpretation of what Jesus became. Why did he ride in to Jerusalem on a donkey? Why did he have beef with Pharisees? Why did he feel the need to say my above quote? He was an anti-revolutionary. He refused to profit off his teachings, to organize people into political action, or use his teachings as a way to disobey the law.

And yeah I'm working on the assumption that he existed and was god etc, because that's not even a necessary argument to have in order to show modern day Christians how contradictory their beliefs are to what Jesus actually did. He spent majority of his time on earth with the tax collectors and prostitutes etc, social outcasts that religious folk hated. Why wouldn't he do the same today?

Jesus was, quite intentionally, a non-political leader, and butted heads with people who tried to make it political action several times in the gospels.

He did use his teachings as a way to disobey the law and make what today would be deemed a political statement tho.

There is a very specific part in the gospels where he does that.

He was a political activist in the mould of ghandi, if he existed (Jesus, not ghandi, i've seen pics of him, dick pics) which is a big if.

[Dominate]

As far as the medical stuff, that is logically extremely flimsy grounds to rationalize exclusion from legal rights and benefits of marriage.

Can you elaborate?

[oats]

Witty nah man. Dudes literally approached him and tried to convince him to organize into a political body, to stop paying taxes, etc, and Jesus said "no, that's not what this is about." Even upon incarceration, Pontius Pilate approached the religious leaders and told them Jesus has broken no law, and tried to release him according to a Hebrew custom. The people demanded instead insisted on Barabas to be released, who was a convicted and known murderer. Whether or not we would assign political meaning to his life today is irrelevant, his motives and actual actions according to the bible were not political.

Dominate, let's say a healthy couple gets married. They get pregnant. Genetic mutation occurs and their baby will be born with severe mental disabilities. Should their marriage be dissolved then? You're conflating marriage with reproduction, as well as using nazi-esque concepts of what is pure and healthy. Where's the line? Why would it be different for a healthy couple to produce sick offspring and an unhealthy couple to do the same? Is marriage dependent on the probability of healthy children?

[Dominate]

Dominate, let's say a healthy couple gets married. They get pregnant. Genetic mutation occurs and their baby will be born with severe mental disabilities. Should their marriage be dissolved then? You're conflating marriage with reproduction, as well as using nazi-esque concepts of what is pure and healthy. Where's the line? Why would it be different for a healthy couple to produce sick offspring and an unhealthy couple to do the same? Is marriage dependent on the probability of healthy children?

No, that's Witty's argument against incestual marriage, not mine.

I'm very much FOR gay marriage, and polygamy too in principal... just trying to elucidate why, because I think the "they're consenting adults and it doesn't affect anyone else" argument breaks down somewhat because the same can be said for incestual couples.

[oats]

Funny you say that. A class I had in college posed that question, and it was interesting/hilarious to see how difficult it is to justify the wrongness of consenting incest, other than "it's just fucking weird." So I agree with you, and get what you're saying. Mutual consent is kinda all that matters to me. If brother and sister both wanna get married, and will do a good job raising a little mutant incest baby - and are aware of the consequences incest can have on birth in the first place - then I say go for it. Just a slippery slope to try and draw a line on when it is or isn't ok to marry/procreate.

[El Muffin]

https://www.msu.edu/course/lbs/333/snapshot.afs/fall/images/Charles2.JPG


Oh god jesus plz no

[Destroyer]

I also know that this ruling puts the law of man over the law of God.




"what you hold true on earth, I will hold true in Heaven...."?

no?

[Destroyer]

http://imgur.com/bD1mJni.jpg

[veritas]

Veritas and uh oh sorry but you guys have a theologically incorrect interpretation of what Jesus became. Why did he ride in to Jerusalem on a donkey? Why did he have beef with Pharisees? Why did he feel the need to say my above quote? He was an anti-revolutionary. He refused to profit off his teachings, to organize people into political action, or use his teachings as a way to disobey the law.

And yeah I'm working on the assumption that he existed and was god etc, because that's not even a necessary argument to have in order to show modern day Christians how contradictory their beliefs are to what Jesus actually did. He spent majority of his time on earth with the tax collectors and prostitutes etc, social outcasts that religious folk hated. Why wouldn't he do the same today?

Jesus was, quite intentionally, a non-political leader, and butted heads with people who tried to make it political action several times in the gospels.



he came for the sick. not to condone them, but to save them.

he came as a lamb. he comes back as a lion.

you err in the Scriptures. you twist them for your agenda.

[veritas]

as for your above quote that is about your financial responsibilities, he would want you to follow that law, but it is obvious from reading him and the rest of the bible that Gods law superscedes the law of man.


WHICH IS WHAT THE DISCUSSION WAS ABOUT.


THIS MAY BE TOO SOON, BUT LATER IN THE BIBLE IT IS TALKED ABOUT BEING A LAW UNTO YOURSELF. TOO SOON.

[El Muffin]

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Lmao let me rep u

[Inno]

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Basically lol


Its no god that hates. Its cristians lol.


Why dont yall religious fucks just be honest it has nothing to do with god.

It has nothing to do with anything other than ignorance. And the fact most of you so called cristians just simple hate gays. Thats it, you just do. So like cowards you hide behind gods word.
Becuase you dont have fortitude to say it outload. "God doesnt hate fags, i do"

How hard is that

You will all burn in hell for using gods word to benefit your own hateful agenda.

[veritas]

God said that they were an abomination.


they are also fornicators as they will never be considered married in God's eyes.


fact.

[veritas]

Basically lol


Its no god that hates. Its cristians lol.


Why dont yall religious fucks just be honest it has nothing to do with god.

It has nothing to do with anything other than ignorance. And the fact most of you so called cristians just simple hate gays. Thats it, you just do. So like cowards you hide behind gods word.
Becuase you dont have fortitude to say it outload. "God doesnt hate fags, i do"

How hard is that

You will all burn in hell for using gods word to benefit your own hateful agenda.

I don't appreciate you judging me bro.

[uh-oh]

Veritas and uh oh sorry but you guys have a theologically incorrect interpretation of what Jesus became. Why did he ride in to Jerusalem on a donkey? Why did he have beef with Pharisees? Why did he feel the need to say my above quote? He was an anti-revolutionary. He refused to profit off his teachings, to organize people into political action, or use his teachings as a way to disobey the law.

And yeah I'm working on the assumption that he existed and was god etc, because that's not even a necessary argument to have in order to show modern day Christians how contradictory their beliefs are to what Jesus actually did. He spent majority of his time on earth with the tax collectors and prostitutes etc, social outcasts that religious folk hated. Why wouldn't he do the same today?

Jesus was, quite intentionally, a non-political leader, and butted heads with people who tried to make it political action several times in the gospels.

i'd have to read it again, i just remember having the preconceived notion beforehand and reading it sort of re affirmed it

the religious who were at odds with him were the jews in power at the time, those same jews were put in power by the romans. jesus preaching his gospel and amassing followers in the downtrodden is alot like a rebel leader denouncing the views of the elite, gathering the power of the poor and beginning an uprising

even if jesus wasn't against the romans themselves, he was definately opposed to the puppets of rome.

i'm also arguing on the stance of him not being a real person, and being a creation who was based off of real jews who were against the known documented authority at the time

considering all these gospels and writings were conceived at least 2 generations after he was supposed to have lived

in that time romes stranglehold, and the jewish religous leaders stranglehold on the people became increased

so them inventing a character to rally behind and create a new religion and shit makes sense

but like i said i'd have to read it again which i probably won't lol.

[Destroyer]

"what you hold true on earth, I will hold true in Heaven...."?

no?

I see you are conveniently ignoring this Veritas

[veritas]

what? No. you err in your citing that passage. fair?


LOOK:

HERE IS THE RULE OF THUMB, ANY FOOL CAN MAKE THE BIBLE SAY WHAT THEY WANT IT TO SAY, BUT....

THEY CANNOT MAKE IT SAY IT CONSISTENTLY.
MARINATE

[Destroyer]

how do I err?
I don't even believe the shit at all
but I can quote parts of your own book that contradict what you say
to me, that's evidence that none of it can be taken as truth

[veritas]

wrong.

You need to be synoptic. I do not want to degrade you, so I will not say anything more.

[Destroyer]

you can't degrade me
your beliefs all are derived from fictional stories
you're like the Roald Dahl of morality

[veritas]

If I am Roald Dahl, then that makes you a twit.

swidt?

[Destroyer]

nothing you believe is derived from anything other than what others have told you to be true

that's sad to me.

[veritas]

wrong.

I discovered it to be true through my own experiences, and the experiences of others.


you are the one who is doing what you are accusing me of.

marinate.

[Destroyer]

you're a textbook example of about three distinct argument fallacies
your words mean literally nothing to me

[veritas]

you are just googling things now.

for real.


You should read the Bible. Study it. Just like I did. study it to prove it wrong. every line. every chapter. Just like I did.

take a year bro. then come back to me. Fair?

[Destroyer]

bro, I've read the bible, the Koran, the Torah and the writings of Buddha, the bhagvad Gita
there's a lot of great stories and lessons to be taken from all of them
there's also a lot of fucked up shit in all of them, which makes sense as they were written by primitives ages ago. I've also read world history, of events just occurring in the last 100 years or so. And you know what? There's a lot of contradictory information in what happened from different sources that wrote it down. Which has led me to come to my own conclusion that you have to take pretty much everything with a grain of salt. maybe, more like with a salt shaker. Nothing is truly known, and it's the wisest man who realizes this.

[veritas]

wrong.


Read teh Bible again. With a mind to disprove it. Real talk. Get back to me.

Do it sober too. That hindered the spirit.

[Destroyer]

hahah now I have to read it again?
bro, I'm not reading the Harry Potter series twice

and it was a better read